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The Bulwark Podcast

Ep. 1: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Lindsey Graham was once one of Donald Trump's fiercest critics—before becoming one of his most important collaborators. His eventual capitulation is really a story about what happened to the whole Republican Party. The Bulwark Podcast presents The Corruption of Lindsey Graham, with Will Saletan. Read the whole thing at https://thebulwark.com/lindseygraham. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Here's a scene from long ago.

0:07.8

Back when America felt like a pretty safe democracy.

0:11.6

Before it fell into the hands of Donald Trump.

0:14.8

It seems like ages ago now, but it was really just seven years.

0:19.4

It was January 21, 2016.

0:22.9

The scene was a press conference at the United States Capitol.

0:26.9

Okay. That's all right.

0:29.4

All right.

0:30.0

The man at the microphone was Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

0:35.1

Graham had been running for president until just a few weeks before this press conference.

0:40.2

He had dropped out because he couldn't catch up with the front runners.

0:43.9

Trump and Senator Ted Cruz.

0:47.0

Graham couldn't believe that one of these guys was likely to be the Republican nominee for president.

0:53.6

He thought both of them were terrible.

0:55.6

He figured that either of them, if they were nominated, would lose the general election.

1:00.0

And he drew an interesting analogy.

1:02.7

If you now make Trump and Cruz, I think you get the same outcome.

1:07.1

You know, would this death by being shot or poisoning does it really matter?

1:11.6

This wasn't the only time Graham used that analogy.

1:15.0

It came up again two months later when he was talking to Trevor Noah,

1:18.8

the late-night talk show host.

1:20.8

Okay. First of all, who is shooting and who's poisoning between Trump and Cruz?

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