And now from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics, the Act Spiles, with your host,

David Axelrod.

I'm going to say something that I know won't pull well.

I love politics and I love politicians.

I've been hanging with them all my life, engaged in a running conversation that I often wished

I could share with others.

That's what the Act Spiles is all about.

I want to have real conversations, honest conversations with my fellow practitioners and politics

and journalism to go beyond the usual political speak and give you a richer sense of who

they are, what they do, and what drives them.

This is my first podcast and who better to kick it off with than the least likely rock star

at American politics, Senator Bernie Sanders.

Bernie and I had a chance to talk about everything from his passion for the Brooklyn Dodgers

to his surprising position on gun rights to the state of American politics and the American

worker.

Bernie's been given some fiery speeches, but in this conversation, which we recorded in

the backseat of a van from O'Hare to the University of Chicago, I got to know Bernie

a little better and I hope you do too.

Let me set the stage here where we're in a van hurling toward the University of Chicago

for an event at the Rockefeller Chapel and edifice that was built as a monument to the

greatest monopolist, one of the icons of the gilded age, the last gilded age, John D. Rockefeller

and we're going there with Senator Bernie Sanders, the bane of the billionaires, the hot

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