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Moving on, we're going to talk about a controversial subject and that is the Mexican Gravel.

And I'll explain why it's controversial from the ground up for a bunch of different reasons which we'll get into.

But first I want to go around and have our guests introduce themselves.

We got someone from the US Fish and Wildlife Service.

Yes, Steve, I'm John Oakleaf with the Fish and Wildlife Service on the Field Programs Coordinator.

So out in the field working with various folks and been on the project since 2002.

The project being the Mexican Wolf project.

And then Forest Service. USDA Forest Service, Vicentro Rodonius.

I am the Forest Service liaison to the Mexican Wolf project.

They have me embedded with the biologist on the Wolf program to try to help with the communication process.

It's a complex, controversial, a lot of moving parts going on with this project.

So they have me in place to try to help smooth those parts and keep them working smooth with communications with our forest users.

And try to reduce some of that conflict that's going on.

And it matters to you guys because a lot of this is occurring on land administered by the Forest Service.

Yeah, almost exclusively on Forest Service land.

The Forest Service is a land management agency.

We manage the habitat and Fish and Wildlife Service does on the ground work on dealing with the wolves.

And then again, becoming a frequent guest, Dr. Carl Malcolm.

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