Ep. 072: American Wilderness

The MeatEater Podcast

MeatEater

Sports, Wilderness

4.9 • 37.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 July 2017

⏱️ 111 minutes

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Summary

Steven Rinella talks with Dr. Karl Malcolm, Bjorn Fredrickson, and Jerry Monzingo of the U.S. Forest Service, along with Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew.

Subjects Discussed: The National Wild and Scenic Rivers Systems; the Cascades as a nexus for the climbing world; Karl's unlikely cure for not drawing an elk tag; the many homes of Aldo Leopold; Curt Meine's Aldo Leopold: His Life and Work; Howard Zahniser and the Wilderness Act; the societal challenges of Wilderness; dudes who just love a good conspiracy theory; Wilderness as a part of the American identity; Frederick Jackson Turner; Frontier Anxiety; helicopters in Wilderness and the "Minimum Requirements Necessary" concept; does Wilderness need to justify itself financially?; Ben Lilly and other rogue wildmen of the Southwest; and more.

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0:00.0	This is the meat eater podcast coming at you shirtless severely bugged bitten in my case underwear list.
0:15.0	Let me feed our podcast.
0:18.0	You can't predict anything.
0:20.0	Presented by First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer.
0:25.0	Alright, so right now we're sitting in and what do you call this place?
0:33.0	We're in Albuquerque, regional headquarters?
0:36.0	Yeah, this is the Southwestern Regional Office.
0:39.0	The Southwestern Regional Office of the US Forest Service.
0:43.0	Do you guys mind going around and saying what you do and what your job titles are?
0:48.0	I'm Jerry Monsingo, Wildlife Fish and Rare Plant Program Manager on the Heel and National Forest, which is in Southwest New Mexico.
0:56.0	You grew up doing a little fairtrap.
0:58.0	I did. I did.
1:00.0	When growing up, I lived along the Heel and River, which is headwaters in the Heel wilderness.
1:10.0	My grandpa started me out. Probably when I was 10 or 11 years old.
1:17.0	He gave me three old number two Victor Long Springs that were, the springs were just about worn out.
1:26.0	That started me. I walked to the river from the house, set out a few traps.
1:34.0	Then of course, for what? Muscrats? No, Coons, raccoons, gray fox, the occasional bobcat, lots of skunks, occasional.
1:44.0	And you were saying to ringtails too?
1:46.0	Ringtails, yeah.
1:47.0	What's the market like for those back?
1:50.0	Well, you know, because that was back when like fair prices were good.
1:52.0	Fair prices were good then. Ringtails were 12 bucks.
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