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You are now listening to Bigfoot and beyond featuring the

Lenin and McCartney of Bigfoot, the other arguably Harrison and Star, Cliff and Bobo.

What's the most important things you learn from the tribes?

I'm an outsider. What's the most important things you learn from the tribes?

I'm an outsider, you know, I work for the tribes, but I'm an outsider, I'm not privy to a lot of things.

But no, I've had, what's the most important thing. Well, that's a tough one because there's there's so much more going on too. That's the other thing is I guess one of the most important things that I started to see was in terms of the

flesh and blood versus spirit debate,

which is endless, I found from reading 300-year-old reports

and stories from Indians that they've always argued about that.

There's always been an argument in Indian country as to whether or not big thick can turn invisible.

And it's gone on for hundreds of years.

Nothing new.

And I thought that was really interesting

when I learned that.

I guess, yeah, the most important thing

is that many, the different culture

that you referred to earlier,

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