Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Under Serv, the Podcasts for the Rest of the Tech industry. I'm your host Andrew

Julyna. Here with me this week joining me in studio is Matt Hodges, VP of

software engineering at Curriculum Associates. Matt, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much for having me.

So not surprisingly, you like me and 30 million other people

are a member of the Commodore Mafia.

How did you get your start and the spark that got you into programming?

Yeah, and the original spark was probably four or five years before that, just summer school,

doing logo during summer school and just getting fascinated with that.

At my house though, my uncle was a Commodore 64 owner. So I ended up having that.

Didn't do too much hardcore development on that, but just command line getting the games going, playing through that.

It started kindling the love for computers in general.

Call it.

Through high school, I was fortunate enough

that they had offered a Pascal class

through a junior and senior year.

And that really helped me because I feel like

looking at programming as a as a practice the

hardest part is thinking like a programmer the classic example that I think of from back in the day is

there was a question you have 83 cents how many quarters dimes dimes, nickels, and pennies.

And as a typical human being, you could easily say three quarters, a nickel, and three pennies.

But to do that in code, you have to think three, four levels down, write all the individual things

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