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Hi everybody, Cheryl Ackison here with another

Cheryl Ackison podcast.

Today I'm going to talk about something I wrote an article about in the hill

called Quid Pro Quo in Ukraine.

No, not yet.

Actually, my title was shorter. The one I wrote was Quid Pro No. And I'm talking

in this about the impeachment debate and how it's being framed and what I learned after speaking

to current and former diplomats and doing a little bit of research,

stuff that was not being reported on the news programs that I've been watching and in some of the articles that I've been reading.

So I thought I would talk this through in case people want to know a little bit more about it.

First of all, let's talk about the term quid pro quo to begin with because that's how the impeachment debate is being framed is if that's the bar that will determine

whether President Trump did something egregious or wrong or something impeachable,

whether he committed a quid pro quo.

But I think there are some big flaws with this framing,

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