Hey folks, Randy Newberg here and we are in my lovely home valley in Montana, the Gallatin Valley,

Boseman Montana. Gosh, I feel lucky to live here especially when it's this beautiful.

My guest today is a guy and he's a Montana State University alum and that's not why he's here.

It helps. He doesn't live in Boseman. He lives in Lovesland, Colorado.

But he is more informed about a topic that I want to get to and we're going to get to that today.

He's more informed about it than anyone I know. He's got all these degrees. He's got a master's

and from University of Wyoming undergrad from Montana State University, PhD in Forest,

ecology from Oregon State, Ed Arnatt, come a PhD, right Ed?

I'll add iron deeper. Post-old bigger.

Ed Arnatt is the senior scientist for the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership.

I've been a big game hunter all my life and welcome Ed. I appreciate you taking time to be here.

Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it.

Yeah. And here's I'm in a right away in this podcast. Try to connect you listeners to the topic

of sage grouse and sage grouse habitats, the way that I've become connected to it.

Because the question everyone asks right away is, I'm a big game hunter. Why in the hell do I care

about sage grouse? I've only shot two sage grouse in my life and it was kind of by accident.

And so it would be easy for me to discount. You know what? They're just this big dumb bird.

Why do I care? And so Ed, your job in this podcast is, and I know you're going to do a great job

because you're passionate about this and you know this information better than anybody.

Tell me in a minute why the listener who's a big game hunter or a fisherman or whatever should

care about the play to sage grouse in the United States. I think there are two key points that I

try to make to not just the sportsman's community but also the general public. The fact that a once

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