We are back one more time with Eric Mason, a church planner who lives in ministers in the

heart of Philadelphia.

He's the co-founder and lead pastor of Epiphany Fellowship and he's a husband, father, and

the author of the book Manhood Restored, How the Gospel Makes Men Whole.

Eric, yesterday you talked about how and why you explain manhood to the men in your

neighborhood who don't have these fundamental categories to work from.

How is Godly Manhood different from cultural machoness?

Well, we would look at cultural machoness.

We would connect that more to Genesis 3, the fall.

We would say the cultural machoness is just man emphasizing the fact that he's responding

rightly to the curse.

You know, the whole, the whole, he will try to, he will dominate.

It's a reflection of domination.

But it's a reflection of more of external persona versus internal reality.

And so the whole cultural macho thing is just really a caricature and an attempt for man

to put on paraphernalia of manhood versus being a man.

That's a powerful way to put it.

I want to talk about the local church now.

A remarkable point in your book is how you tie the gospel's mission to strong biblical

manhood.

On page 165, you talk about the, the riskless environment of a lot of churches not on mission.

And how that actually creates a boredom among the men, explain how manhood and mission are

...