So, Birdo, many people have been asking us to do an episode about Eniagram, lots of patrons,

clinicians, lay people, listeners, lots of excitement about Eniagram.

So what do you say we get into it, Berto? Let's do it.

This is the Psychology and Seattle podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Kirk Honda. I'm a therapist and a

professor. Who are you, Umberto? My name is Umberto Castania and I grow dairy free mushrooms.

So I had never even heard of any agram until I don't know maybe like a year ago when someone

asked for us to talk about it.

Have you heard of it before?

I heard the word and I thought it was something completely different.

I thought it was some medical, like, you know, like angeogram, you know, like a...

Yeah, yeah. Endeogram. Isn't there also... like a engogram you know yeah

is another also something called engrams or something

oh that was the other thing I thought this maybe had something to do with

uh... scintology yeah have yeah i'm something I thought I was something like that.

And when I looked into it, I have discovered that Ennagram is just as popular or almost as popular as Myers Briggs.

I was surprised at how many people had actually known about it and had taken it.

And I hadn't even heard about it until recently and it's only because of the listeners that I would

have heard about it at all.

And you know I've been in the field 24 years, never heard of any agram. And I've read, you know, hundreds of books on

personality and none of them even mention it. And yet all these people out there are, you know, my sister, my friends, all the listeners on Facebook.

They've all heard about it.

So let's get into a highly controversial theory.

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