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Witness History

English TV lessons in China go primetime

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

In 1981 the first major series of English lessons was broadcast on Chinese television.

President Deng Xiaoping had allowed private enterprise and was pursuing an era of “opening up” to the rest of the world. It followed a decade of educational turmoil when teachers had been castigated as bourgeois by the former leader Mao Zedong.

Kathy Flower presented the English education programme, Follow Me, several times a week at primetime. It was watched by an estimated 500 million people keen to get a taste of the English language and observe westerners on television. Kathy Flower recalls to Josephine McDermott what it was like becoming the most famous foreign person in China.

Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more.

Recent episodes explore everything from football in Brazil, the history of the ‘Indian Titanic’ and the invention of air fryers, to Public Enemy’s Fight The Power, subway art and the political crisis in Georgia. We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: visionary architect Antoni Gaudi and the design of the Sagrada Familia; Michael Jordan and his bespoke Nike trainers; Princess Diana at the Taj Mahal; and Görel Hanser, manager of legendary Swedish pop band Abba on the influence they’ve had on the music industry. You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, such as the time an Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes at the President of the United States in protest of America’s occupation of Iraq; the creation of the Hollywood commercial that changed advertising forever; and the ascent of the first Aboriginal MP.

(Photo: Kathy Flower at a book signing in China. Credit: BBC)

Transcript

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0:06.3

and I make podcasts for the BBC. I'm a big fan of stories, always loved a good book. But when I started

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mixture of sounds could take you into a whole new world full of incredible stories. You know, the type that make you go, wow. And that kind of inspired me to

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give it a go myself, which to cut a long story short led to a BBC training scheme and a whole

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new career giving other people that exact same feeling. So if you want to hear amazing stories

0:34.1

that make you go wow like I did, they're just a tap or click away on BBC

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sounds.

0:43.5

Hello and welcome to the witness history podcast from the BBC World Service with me, Josephine

0:49.2

McDermott.

0:52.9

We're going back 43 years to the first major series of English lessons to be shown on television in China.

1:01.0

I've been speaking to the star of the TV program who became the most famous foreign person in China, Kathy Flower.

1:10.4

We're in China's capital, Beijing, in the early 1980s.

1:15.1

I definitely was ridiculously famous.

1:17.8

I remember once going into a store in Beijing where they sold sports equipment.

1:24.0

And I wanted to buy a ping pong bat and ball to play sports with a Chinese friend.

1:29.6

And they closed the store because so many people tried to crowd in and say hello.

1:34.0

So the police came close the store.

1:36.8

And I couldn't actually remember how to say in Chinese, can I have a ping pong bat?

1:41.8

So I had to mime it.

1:43.5

So I was leaping in the air and waving my...

1:45.6

And there were hundreds of faces pressed up against the shop window, trying to watch the TV lady.

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