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Hello, welcome to the client show on the box media podcast network.

I have been, this is a podcast I wanted to do for a while.

You all know I've done a number of podcasts about animal suffering and sort of the way we treat animals.

And a lot of those podcasts have been personal. They've been sort of about the way we think about it morally, the way we act individually, the way the system encourages us to act and to think and to feel.

And I've come to some of them with a lot of trepidation. These are tough topics. It's a tough topic in today's episode two, but I wanted to commit it from a pretty different angle today.

Something I've been become convinced of is that one thing we underestimate in this conversation is how much we live in a really unique technological moment and era.

The way we treat animals in the industrial food production system. It's only been true for a couple of decades before couple decades ago. It wasn't possible.

I mean, I talk about it in the show with with my guest today, but you would have had disease. You didn't have the genetic engineering and breeding.

You couldn't do what we do today. You couldn't have this kind of cruelty on such an industrial scale.

And it is a lot. It is a lot to ask people in the face of that to try to change it themselves to take it on themselves to make everything different to take the moral weight of that on themselves.

It isn't to say that we shouldn't try. I think we should. But I'm realistic enough to know that most of us won't. And there are things for all of us that we do myself very much included, where we're part of systems that are a lot bigger than us that maybe you're not doing exactly the right thing.

But it's hard to live any other way. What is interesting to me about this moment is it feels like we might be in an inflection point.

We've had an age of animal cruelty enabled by technology, but there may be an off ramp here also enabled by technology. It may be that in the long arc of this part of human history that the exact same forces it got us to a point where, you know, I don't think the suffering is something we can justify.

I don't think it is something we can ignore. I think it is one of the moral questions that should not be ignoreable given the scale of it in our society.

But I don't think the answer to it is all individual action, at least not when that individual action is really hard. People have tough lives. They need to feed their kids like they need food that is affordable that they can eat that they can make that they can find, which is often a hard part, particularly if you live in certain parts of the country.

But what's fascinating to me, what is encouraging to me, what makes me optimistic is how fast the technological advances are to find another way.

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