Donna, please show it.

You love me and you know it.

Say I do.

I do.

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I'm Vanessa Zoltan.

I'm Hannah McGregor.

And this is Hot and Bothered. Vanessa, it's our flagship program launch for What Matters, and this year you've chosen some fabulous books.

Tell us more about the program. Yes, so What Matters is and this year you've chosen some fabulous books. Tell us more about the program.

Yes, so What Matters is a 28-week intensive cohort-based class that is all based around

sacred reading. This year, we have picked three incredible novels to do our sacred reading

with, The Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler, Station

11 by Emily St. Mandel, and Women Talking by Miriam Taves.

Wow.

And we are going to be talking about the theme of identity.

And this class is just, Casper, it's one of the things I'm most proud of having co-designed.

You know, we do sacred reading with me,

and then Mauricio Bruce does analysis and self-exploration based on the books and then one-on-one

chaplaincy with everyone. And then we end with Michaela Bly, helping everybody turn this into

a story that they can tell so that there's like something really finite that they can take out as the lesson that they want to remember from the class.

And the class is all about using these, you know, spiritual technologies that we know work really well, sacred reading, community, one-on-one chaffcy, and storytelling in order to discern how you want

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