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The ZDoggMD Show

End-Stage Awakening: Braiding, Integration, & Release of the Threads (w/Dr. Pierce Salguero)

The ZDoggMD Show

ZDoggMD LLC

Medicine, Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality

4.83K Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 163 minutes

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Summary

When the threads of awakening drop and spirituality itself falls away, what's left? Peep our earlier introduction interview on the Multidharma Threads model ⁠here on YouTube⁠ or ⁠here on Apple Podcasts⁠. And a deeper dive into each thread here. ⁠⁠Dr. Pierce Salguero⁠⁠ has studied spirituality through decades of practice and scholarship, specializing in hathayoga, meditation, shamanic rituals, spirit healing, Thai medicine, and Buddhist philosophy. He is now a professor researching Asian history, religions, and healing traditions. His Multidharma framework distills the lessons from a lifetime of exploration of spirituality, providing a novel framework for modern seekers. Here's a⁠⁠ deep dive into the Multidharma Threads model⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Pierce's books and more⁠⁠. ⁠Pierce's newsletter to get notified when his full-length Threads book drops.⁠ ⁠And here's a link to zoom meetups that discuss the Threads model. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

One, two, three, just give me patience. Yeah. Cool. Okay, so what are we talking about today, by the way?

0:18.7

Remind me. I don't know. It seemed like last time we had a lot of fun

0:26.0

going through the phenomenology of the threads and kind of in depth, but talking maybe some

0:35.7

more about our personal experiences with that and what it was like,

0:39.7

just to give people a sense of at least two different stories or two different ways

0:43.8

of kind of experiencing the threads individually.

0:47.4

But we sort of followed the threads individually down to the end of each one.

0:53.9

But that's kind of an artificial way of separating things out.

1:01.0

You know, this model does that.

1:02.5

The model separates things out in that way in order to bring certain things to light.

1:08.4

But it's a little bit like, you know, if you were used to listening to music

1:15.5

thinking in terms of, you know, there's the verse and then another verse and then the chorus and then a

1:20.5

verse and then a chorus and then a chorus, and then a chorus, right? You're used to listening to it like

1:25.0

that. So the multi-darmine model comes around and says,

1:28.4

well, how about we just like separate out the baseline and listen to that all the way through?

1:34.1

Then let's talk about the guitar line all the way through.

1:37.1

Then let's talk about the, I don't know, whatever, the piano line all the way through, right?

1:41.3

We separate out the tracks and we discuss the tracks separately as separate kind of trajectories or entities. But then I feel like we also need to put

1:56.1

them back together. But the model doesn't do that in terms of steps and stages, right? It talks about

2:03.8

braiding and integration. So, yeah, so if we were to continue a conversation, I think it would be

2:12.2

about really sort of focusing on how these threads intertwine and integrate with one another and how the

2:19.5

integration sort of progresses. And then, you know, if you want to talk more about releasing the

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