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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

[ENCORE] Your Body Deserves Pleasure Too: A Conversation with Vanessa Marin

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Description:If any conversation belongs squarely in our “The Body Knows: Midlife In Our Skin” series, it’s this one, and for one simple reason — pleasure is a body conversation. Desire is a body conversation. And if midlife has shifted how you feel in your own skin, this episode meets you exactly there. Vanessa Marin is a licensed psychotherapist, sex educator, and bestselling author of Sex Talks: The Five Conversations That Will Transform Your Love Life, co-written with her husband Xander. With over two decades of experience helping people dismantle shame and build genuinely intimate relationships, Vanessa brings the kind of candid, warm, and disarmingly funny voice this conversation has always needed. Whether you're partnered or solo, whether your sex life feels complicated or just quietly neglected, whether you're carrying shame you never asked for — this one is for you. Vanessa is here to help us say yes to communication, to connection, and maybe most of all, to pleasure. Here's what we're getting into: Why so many of us have deeply wired, shame-rooted reactions to sex — and where they actually come from Why Vanessa says you should start having sex like a man (yes, really) The myth about the female orgasm that most of us were never taught the truth about The best things you can do for your sex life that have nothing to do with taking your clothes off The difference between spontaneous and responsive desire — and why understanding this might change everything Thought-provoking Quotes: “Despite not getting a great introduction to sex or intimacy or relationships, I had this intuitive sense that there should be joy with this act. There should be connection and intimacy, and it should be something I should feel excited to explore when the time is right.” – Vanessa Marin “This is literally what I am here on this earth for, is to help people get more comfortable talking about sex, connection, and intimacy.” – Vanessa Marin “A lot of people hear, she's a sex therapist. They must have this incredible sex life. The reality is, we've been through ups and downs, too. I am not immune to the water that we all have been swimming in. I've internalized plenty of crap myself. And so I want people to understand we are all struggling to keep that spark alive in one way or another. We are all struggling with our sex lives, with our bodies in one way or another.” – Vanessa Marin Research has shown that in male-female relationships, women are carrying the vast majority of the mental load. There is so much that is going through our heads on a daily basis—all this tracking, and preparing, and anticipating, and evaluating, our heads are just constantly going. And when you have so much in your brain, it makes it really hard to make the space for intimacy and desire too.” – Vanessa Marin Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Sex Talks: The Five Conversations That Will Transform Your Love Life by Vanessa Marin and Xander Marin - https://amzn.to/43VSwnS The Sex Talks Card Deck and Guidebook: 90 Prompts to Deepen Connection and Spark Intimacy - https://amzn.to/3Hys1xa Vanessa and Xander’s Deeper Monthly Membership - https://buy.vmtherapy.com/deeper Guest’s Links: Website - https://vmtherapy.com/about Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/vanessaandxander/ Twitter - https://x.com/VMTherapy Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/vanessaandxander/ Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/vanessamarin TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@vanessaandxander Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/vanessaandxander/_created/ Podcast - https://vmtherapy.com/podcast/  Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everybody, welcome to For the Love. We have been in this series, the body knows, and it's been

0:17.4

amazing. We've covered some serious ground. Always honest, sometimes uncomfortable,

0:24.4

depending on your tolerance, but really like liberating conversations about what it means

0:31.6

to live in our bodies, kind of in every way. And obviously I don't need to tell you that the truth is that our bodies change, of course.

0:42.7

They surprise us in sometimes wonderful ways.

0:45.2

They absolutely carry our stories, our memories.

0:49.3

And if we're paying attention, they are always trying to and have the ability to lead us back to ourselves.

0:58.2

Our bodies tell us the truth. So today we're bringing back a conversation from last year

1:03.4

that belongs right here in this season, in this particular series, and really even in this

1:09.6

moment, because nothing reveals our relationship

1:12.4

with our bodies faster than this particular topic. And listen, we already know you love it

1:19.3

because you let us know that every time we host a conversation around sex, oh weird, our downloads

1:26.6

double, okay? Because we care about this.

1:29.2

It matters. It matters to our emotional health right now, our physical health, our relationships,

1:34.8

our sense of well-being. If anything, sex almost feels more important, kind of in the middle

1:40.7

of life. And so we're talking about it and about desire and about intimacy

1:45.0

with one of our best guests, someone I have followed for years. We have Vanessa Marin.

1:52.9

Vendezza is a licensed sex therapist and the co-author of sex talks, which is an amazing book.

1:59.7

You guys, I read it cover to cover. And we really went there

2:03.1

in this conversation, all of it. Pleasure, desire, shame that a lot of us carry around sex,

2:12.5

sometimes without even knowing it and how it is showing up in our relationships and our bodies and our nervous

2:18.3

systems. And here's the thing that Vanessa said that I can't shake. Every single one of us

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