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Encore: This CEO Says Humanoid Robots Are The "Space Race" of Our Time

Bold Names

The Wall Street Journal

Technology

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Who will take care of you in old age? Jeff Cardenas, the CEO and co-founder of Apptronik, says the answer is robots. The startup founder set out to build a smart, dexterous robot after watching his grandfathers grow old and dependent in their later years. Beyond healthcare, Cardenas sees robots as essential to U.S. economic growth and national security with applications across industries. Even with the latest advances in artificial intelligence and hardware, what will it take for humanoid robots to make the leap from science fiction to reality? On the latest episode of the Bold Names podcast, Cardenas tells WSJ’s Christopher Mims and Tim Higgins why Apptronik is betting it will create the home robot helper that everyone will want. To watch the video version of this episode, visit our WSJ Podcasts YouTube channel or the video page of WSJ.com. Check Out Past Episodes: Condoleezza Rice on Beating China in the Tech Race: 'Run Hard and Run Fast' Reid Hoffman Says AI Isn’t an ‘Arms Race,’ but America Needs to Win Why This Investor Says the AI Boom Isn’t the Next Dot-Com Crash How the U.S. Stacks Up to China’s ‘Engineering State’ Let us know what you think of the show. Email us at [email protected]. Sign up for the WSJ's free Technology newsletter. Read Christopher Mims’s Keywords column.Read Tim Higgins’s column.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

As companies seek to close growing gaps in skills and talent,

0:04.0

Deloitte US CEO Jason Garzatus believes it's important for organizations to understand their baseline of skills.

0:10.0

There's so many organizations that can't ask and answer the fundamental questions about how much computer science or data management skills do I have or AI development skills in a given domain. By performing a skills inventory, leaders can truly understand where their efforts should be focused.

0:25.7

Being blind to those gaps is the real miss.

0:28.4

Visit Deloitte.com to learn how your enterprise can help successfully cultivate talent.

0:36.5

Hey listeners, Christopher Mems here from Bold Names.

0:40.3

We've got something a little different for you this week.

0:43.3

And last week's episode, we talked about one of the big ideas we are paying attention to in the year ahead.

0:49.3

And that's humanoid robots.

0:52.3

So we thought it was the perfect time to revisit one of those

0:55.2

prescient conversations we had last year. Yeah, that's right. This week we're re-upping our

1:00.6

conversation with Jeff Cardenas, the CEO and co-founder of Apptronic, which is building

1:06.0

the humanoid robot of the future. We hope you enjoy this episode. And bold names, we'll be back with

1:11.8

something new for you next week. You were supposed to be on earlier this year, but you canceled

1:21.9

on us at the last minute because I think you had a special, special delivery that arrived.

1:26.7

That is correct. Yeah, I had a new baby girl delivery that arrived. That is correct.

1:27.8

Yeah, I had a new baby girl that entered the world a few weeks early.

1:32.3

Congratulations.

1:33.6

I mean, so here's the guy who you're trying to replace human workers with robots,

1:38.3

but you got a side gig making babies.

1:40.7

Does that mean you're hedging your bets?

1:43.2

No, I think both will coexist. That's the name of the game.

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