There needs to be sort of a high profile case.

Lawmakers themselves need to get There needs to be sort of a high profile case.

Lawmakers themselves need to get trapped in one of these devices

before they care.

Hello everyone and welcome to Kaviat,

the CyberWire's Law and Policy Podcast.

I'm Dave Bitner and joining me is my co-host Ben Jellen,

from the University of Maryland Center for Health and Homeland Security.

Hello, Ben?

Hello, Dave.

On this week's show, I have an update on Baltimore's spy plane.

Ben describes concerns over violations by the FBI, CIA, and NSA of FISA court rules.

And later in the show my conversation with Kim Zetter on her recent article in The

Intercept titled, How cops can secretly track your phone. It's all about stingrays and dirt

boxes, so stick around for that. While this show covers legal topics and and on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney.

All right, then, before we dig into our stories this week, we got a little bit of follow-up.

A listener wrote in a gentleman by the name of Mitch about one of our past interviews he said you hit a

particular hot button of mine with the cyber insurance in your interview

while we are not lawyers we do review cyber policies for our clients and we're honest we tell them we're not lawyers.

it's amazing what's there or not in there.

In most states, maybe all states, cyber policies are non-standard form policies, so every carrier does their own thing and

sometimes it even varies from product line to product line says one challenge

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