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Welcome to The

Welcome back to the Lincoln Project.

I'm your host, Reed Gailen. Today I'm joined by

John Ward. John has covered American politics and culture for two decades as a

city desk reporter in Washington DC, as a White House correspondent, and as a city desk reporter in Washington, D.C. as a White House correspondent,

and as a national affairs correspondent covering two presidential campaigns.

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