Encore: Leopold & Loeb Part I

Killer Psyche

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True Crime, Exhibit C

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🗓️ 19 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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In the first half of this two-part episode, former FBI agent and criminal profiler Candice DeLong explores the case of Richard Loeb and Nathan Leopold, two young men who murdered 14-year-old Bobby Franks. 19-year-old Nathan and 18-year-old Richard sought to commit what they called "the perfect murder." Candice dives deep into the psyches of the two men who perpetrated one of the most sensational crimes of the 20th century.

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0:00.0	Hey there, killer psyche listeners.
0:02.2	Ever wonder what really drives someone to kill?
0:05.3	Join us on Patreon and get early access to new episodes,
0:09.5	exclusive deep dive episodes that take you further into the minds of the most dangerous criminals
0:15.3	and add free listening.
0:19.5	A listener note, this episode contains graphic depictions of violence and sexual assault.
0:26.7	Please be advised.
0:35.6	People often ask me if there really is such a thing as the perfect murder.
0:41.8	My usual answer is yes.
0:44.6	If you kill someone and somebody else goes to jail for it.
0:49.3	A bit cynical, yeah, sure.
0:51.5	But more realistic than killing someone with an icicle.
0:56.6	I mean, let's be honest, there's little chance of finding that particular murder weapon
1:02.5	and stabbing someone before it melts.
1:06.1	And that's just one of the flaws in that scenario.
1:10.4	Most crimes, however, are not as perfect as the perpetrator
1:14.1	thinks. Whether it's getting caught on camera leaving a crime scene, a cell phone giving away a
1:20.9	location, or leaving DNA on a knife sheath or a pizza crust, nine times out of ten, I guarantee the criminal is going
1:30.2	to mess up or get sloppy. And I will venture to say that the subsequent arrest surely spoils
1:38.2	the perfection of that crime. However, DNA was not used to solve crimes in the 1920s when two young men,
1:48.7	Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, endeavored to commit what they termed the perfect murder.
1:56.0	But it turned out, nothing as complex as DNA analysis was needed. A simple pair of eye glasses
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