Hi, everyone, it's Rebecca. You're listening to Superwomen. Today, my guest is Jill Kargman. She is hilarious. You do not want to skip this episode. Most notably, writer and star of Odd Mom Out, where she chronicled a quote-unquote fictional lives of women on the Upper East Side. But she's an author. She's a badass, mom of three. And

there's a lot of swearing in this episode. I'm just going to warn you. She does not hold back.

So if swearing offends you, definitely don't listen to this episode. I hope you enjoy.

So I'm with Jill Kargman. We met through a mutual friend, Ms. Crystal Mears. Yay, love Crystal.

I would love to just hear, like, I obviously knew you when I met you from Odd Mom Out.

But what was before? Before I was just a writer, I wrote books and I started in magazines.

I had worked as an assistant, an interview and Harper's Bazaar.

And I thought I wanted to be in magazines and just be a magazine writer.

And then I wound up writing a screenplay for a movie that was at Sundance and then books.

Like I wrote trashy novels for years.

What kind of trashy novels?

My first one was called The Right Address.

It's about a co-op on Park Avenue and the different people that live in it.

And then eventually Momzilla's, which was I think my fourth or fifth, momzillas became odd mom out later.

NBC had optioned it and hired a writer to adapt it because they wouldn't let me do it because I was sort of a nobody with in terms of TV writing at that point. Even though I had written for MTV, I had a bunch of shows there, but it wasn't in the Writers Guild. It's all non-union there. So I begged to do it, but they wanted to bring in big guns. And then it never got made. And years later, when I met Andy Cohen, I said, can't she just, like, reach over and take it? Because NBC owns Bravo. And he said, that's not really how it works. But so I had sent him Momzillas and my book of essays. Sometimes I feel like a nut. And we really developed odd mom out together. Like a lot of people

ask, why Bravo? Why weren't you on Comedy Central or HBO or something else? And I said, like,

they never would have touched me. I was a book writer. And you get put in those pods kind of where

it's harder to break out. and um once i was meeting with

andy's henchman at the time lara spots who later became my showrunner you know i realized

like this is a collaboration it was totally from within our team there that it grew i didn't

go around and have it fully formed and pitch it at all the networks. So stepping back before that, you were always a writer. How did you know that you loved writing? Did you write a lot in high school? Like, how did you decide that that? And then from there, the second question would be, how did you get a book published? Like, you know, because I know so many writers that struggle with that. I think, yeah, high school was a help in 10th grade. I had a really good teacher, Barkley Johnson, who said, you know, you have a voice. But I really think it was my dad had always said, write like you talk. And so whenever I wrote letters to my friends, a lot of them still will send me screenshots of letters that I sent them in 10th grade, 11th grade.

I always wrote exactly like how I talked. And I just shit it out. I don't edit it or I never did

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