When I can put that frame out there, it can help someone be more accepting and compassionate toward

their own or their partners and their partners experience both. This is obviously not a one-done

thing, right? This is we're doing this a lot over time because ultimately the goal is to

help you form new wiring that this is a safe experience with your partner. Oftentimes,

when it ends up happening as if I'm activated and I'm suddenly in that place of fear, even if I

know it, part of what I might be doing is telling you what to do differently, right? Like, don't

talk to me that way. Don't use that tone of voice. Don't look at me with those eyes. Don't sit

like that because that's the only strategy that we can think of. Then those strategies don't work

and it's incredibly frustrating to both partners. So we help people, help couples, organize, oh,

this is what's going on. Of course, that's frustrating for you. This is what's happening on

the inside. It's getting more disorganized. And together, when they begin to organize it, they

create safety. They create a new experience together. Therapist Uncensored brings you decades of

experience with interpersonal psychotherapy, relational neuroscience, modern attachment,

and anything else they think will be helpful in healing humans. Now, hear your co-host, Dr.

Ann Kelly, and Sue Marriott. So, hey, everybody. It is my absolute pleasure to bring you,

Camille Cent. One of the things we're going to be talking about today is some of the different

models of therapy. And attachment is like, okay, so what? I'm beginning to learn this. I can

identify it, but what do I do with it? So we are going to be talking to that particular question,

so can you just introduce yourself a little bit and tell us how you came to have these new and

interesting ideas about how to use attachment there and how to heal people? Sure, although I

definitely want to emphasize that they're not my unique ideas, I stumbled into emotionally focused

therapy developed by Sue Johnson. Right. So can you take a psychologist? Well, and the new thing

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