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Emotional Labor

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 14 February 2023

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Is the emotional opacity of men a social justice issue? In episode 71, Ellie and David break down the concepts of emotional and hermeneutic labor. The notion of emotional labor was originally created to shed light on gendered workplace interactions, but it has since been applied to romantic and other kinds of relationships. Is this expanded use of the term justified? Ellie’s research suggests that the concept of hermeneutic labor may better explain asymmetries of power in romantic relationships between men and women. Hermeneutic labor imbalances are produced by men’s inability to name and interpret their feelings and by the societal expectation that women manage their own emotions and those of their male partners simultaneously. How does Ellie’s research on hermeneutic labor shift our perspective on the issue of gender in emotional work?

Works Discussed

Ellie Anderson, “Hermeneutic Labor: The Gendered Burden of Interpretation in Intimate Relationships Between Women and Men”
Arlie Russell Hochschild, The Managed Heart
bell hooks, The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love
Judith Farr Tormey, "Exploitation, Oppression and Self-Sacrifice"
Ronald Levant, “Desperately seeking language: Understanding, assessing, and treating normative male alexithymia”
Olúfẹ́mi Táíwò, “Stoicism (as Emotional Compression) Is Emotional Labor”
Kathi Weeks, "Hours for What We Will: Work, Family, and the Movement for Shorter Hours”

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Overthink.

0:14.2

The podcast where two philosophy professors talk about exciting topics of relevance to you and us.

0:22.3

I'm your co-host, Dr. Ellie Anderson.

0:24.7

And I am Dr. David Pena-Uzman.

0:27.1

And today, we are going to be talking about something that I feel like has become a very

0:30.8

hot topic in recent years.

0:33.7

And that is emotional labor.

0:35.2

I think the rise in discourse around this topic has coincided with the most

0:39.2

recent versions of the feminist movement, because so many women have come to see that even in

0:44.7

societies that are purportedly equal on the question of gender, where we have equal voting rights,

0:49.9

equal career opportunities in theory, et cetera, there's a huge asymmetry in romantic and sexual

0:55.7

relationships in the capabilities and levels of emotional work that women do versus men.

1:01.9

Emotional labor is a kind of work that it's very difficult to identify because so much of

1:08.1

it is invisible, not just to third parties, but also to second parties. So the person

1:12.6

that does a lot of emotional work will be aware of that work, but not the recipient and definitely

1:17.8

not any observer of that interaction. And so it's the sort of thing that you don't see unless you're

1:24.5

the producer, because again, even the recipient is not really aware of it.

1:29.3

Of course, until the recipient doesn't get it anymore, and then they become clearly aware

1:34.5

of what had been there in the first place.

1:37.4

Or you see it, but you don't recognize it as the product of labor, which is something

1:42.1

I want to talk about a lot in the episode today, because

1:44.6

as we will discuss later, I have recently published an article on the sexist expectations

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