Hi, this is Vivi Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast. Moms don't have time to read books. And speaking of books, I have two of my own books coming out this spring and summer. Princess Charming is a picture book, which debuts on April 19th. And Bookends, a memoir of love, loss, and literature comes out on July 1st, and it is truly a labor of love. I hope you'll pre-order, order, and join me on tour as I go across the country. You can find out more at zibbyowens.com or bookendsmemoir.com. And you can follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens because I always post about everything. Enjoy the show.

Emma Straub is the author of This Time Tomorrow. She is the New York Times best-selling author of All Adulteriors, The Vacationers, Modern Lovers, and Laura Lamont's Life and Pictures,

and the short story collection Other People We Married.

Her books have been published in 20 countries.

She and her husband own books are magic, an independent bookstore in Brooklyn, New York.

Welcome, Emma.

Thank you so much for coming back on moms.

Don't have time to read books this time to discuss this time tomorrow.

That was a lot of this times.

This time, this time.

Yeah. Hi, Zimbi. Thank you for having me. Always a pleasure. Okay. I was just raving about your cover and it is so cool.

I'd have the galley. It's like there's this gold lines are swirling through it and then then even the letters, some of them are like silvery, goldy.

I'm not explaining it well.

No, it's shimmery.

It's iridescent.

I begged, I begged Riverhead for that.

I really wanted, you know, because my last, my last four books all had people on them.

In, you know, in different ways.

They don't all look identical, but they all had people on them.

And I said to Riverhead, I was like, no, people.

I don't want any people.

I am tired of people.

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