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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

Emily Bazelon on Rule of Law vs. Autocracy Developments at SCOTUS

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

WNYC Studios

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4.4663 Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

We unpack SCOTUS's decision to continue to prohibit the Trump administration's use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged gang members.

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0:00.0

from WNYC studios. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Monday, May 19th.

0:15.1

Emily Bazelon will join us in just a minute, Emily who writes about the law and how it affects people for the New York Times

0:21.6

magazine. You know some of her great work probably and teaches the art of the argument at Yale Law School.

0:28.6

The context as we start the week is that it's the courts more and more and more than anywhere else

0:34.6

where the line between the rule of law and autocracy

0:38.0

is being established or redrawn. The Times reported last week that as of May 16th, at least

0:44.3

160 rulings have at least temporarily paused some of the administration's initiatives.

0:50.9

And the Supreme Court on Friday made a temporary but possibly very important rule of law

0:55.9

decision. If you took the weekend off from the news, you may not know this yet. We'll explain it.

1:00.4

A little more context. We're going to cover the Supreme Court and the courts in general a lot

1:05.1

on this show in the second hundred days of the Trump administration, always so much hype around the first

1:11.6

hundred days, but these second hundred days are where some things may become entrenched or not,

1:17.6

and a period when the administration's version of how much unbridled power a president should have

1:23.6

will meet some of what appears to be hundreds of lawsuits overall challenging Trump's

1:29.5

claim to so much power as overreach or unconstitutional. They've even recently arrested a judge.

1:37.4

You've probably heard that in Wisconsin and the mayor of Newark, Raz Baraka, on alleged

1:43.1

crimes tangential to the crackdown on immigration.

1:47.6

Emily Bazelon is a New York Times magazine staff writer, Truman Capote Fellow at the EA Law School,

1:53.9

co-host of the Slate Political Gap Fest, and the author of two national bestseller books,

1:58.9

charged the movement to transform American prosecution

2:02.5

and en masse incarceration and sticks and stones, defeating the culture of bullying and rediscovering

2:08.9

the power of character and empathy. Emily, it's always great to have you. Welcome back to WNYC.

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