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Stephen Means, Quenewers is leaving Ohio State. Nathan, are you surprised?

Surprise, not shocked. Stephen, are you surprised?

I'm pretty surprised, pretty shocked.

So why didn't we, so there was like the bubbling little rumors during the court, like message board stuff during the course of the year.

We don't know. We try to be cautious about these are kids young men's lives. They get one shot at this, one career, one football life.

So we try to be cautious about stuff. Is there anything Nathan, like should we have anticipated this more that it's a five star recruit.

The number one recruit in the country.

And yeah, it was kind of weird that it came early, but he doesn't want to sit very long. Should should we have had a better handle on like, man, I just don't think this kid's going to want to sit like at all. He wants to get on the stinking field.

Well, I again, so I want to, let's just acknowledge up front, the Austin Ward from Letterman row has reported that through yours is NIL deals, he had to play a certain number of games next year or start a certain number of games next year.

We get it the full extent of those deals. That's why he's reporting tonight on Twitter. So I think that may be the thing that we overlooked was how the financial, the extent of how the financial arrangements might influence.

Yours is decisions to stay or not. It's one of those it's like we've talked all along about the ruthlessness of Ryan day.

And this is like the ruthlessness and in the past, the ruthlessness of a coach was kind of unchecked. And now the ruthlessness of the business world from the players standpoint now is pushing back.

Yeah, but can you say we overlooked, I mean, NILs existed for six months. And none of us are thinking that deep to it in a sense of if that's true, if we're also more if that's exactly what happened.

No one in there is thinking like, oh, there's probably something in his deal that a clause that you get this much money if you're a starter because it's so brand new and that fresh. So there's no reason for us to think that way.

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