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EMCrit 358 - Dizziness Makes Me Dizzy Still! - GRACE-3 and more with Peter Johns

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Scott D. Weingart, MD FCCM

Medicine, Health & Fitness, Science

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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0:00.0

Hey folks, Scott Wangart here and this is the mCrit podcast.

0:03.6

Today, we're going to revisit a topic we've discussed before, but it just needs more emphasis.

0:08.0

It is the diagnosis of posterior stroke, how to deal with a dizzy patient, how to deal with a

0:13.6

vertiginous patient. This strikes fear in the hearts of most ED docs. It is a nebulous area

0:21.7

unless you have really investigated in depth. And the guest I've brought on today,

0:26.0

he's made it his life's mission to teach how to deal with these exact patients and to get you

0:31.9

to the point where you actually feel happy to pick up the chart of a dizzy patient. Now,

0:36.6

he's been on the show before. It's Peter Johns. He's an emergency physician in Ottawa. He's

0:41.4

since retired clinical practice and now is devoted full time to developing teaching and videos and

0:49.5

lectures and everything on how to deal with the dizzy vertiginous patient in the ED and how not to

0:55.5

miss central causes like posterior circulation stroke. Now, what prompted me to reach out to Peter

1:02.0

again, because he's been on the show in episode 316. It was a tour de force on things like the

1:06.7

hints exam and diagnosis of posterior stroke. But the reason I wanted him back is the recent

1:12.5

publication of a document called Grace 3. Now, the Grace Project is the guidelines for

1:20.8

reasonable and appropriate care in the emergency department, hence Grace. And this one, I think,

1:26.9

diverted from the standard in that they really just went beautifully in depth of the evidence

1:33.0

basis for everything and also a vast array of discussions of the various points that actually

1:39.6

could be used as a teaching document or a way to affect your practice. The lead author, John Edlow,

1:46.0

will get him on. We'll talk about this. It's a beautifully wrought piece of work. But if I give it

1:51.4

to a resident, they're going to be destroyed. It's well worth a read. It's really well done. But

1:56.9

there are some points in there that I felt needed further expansion. And so I got Peter back on

2:01.6

because if you haven't checked out his YouTube channel, you should. It's really just purely what

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