Welcome back to another episode of Confessions of a Crappy Christian.

I am your host and resident Crappy Christian Blake, and every week I get to have the coolest

conversations with incredible people about all the things most Christians are still not

sure we're allowed to talk about.

So if you've been looking for a place to land with all your crap, and for someone to

just be honest about what it looks like to walk through this Christian life, will you've

come to the right place? Pull up a seat, pop in your headphones, and tune out your kids,

and come hang out with me and a guest for the authentic conversations that you have been looking for.

Hi Molly, welcome to Confessions of a Crappy Christian. Well thank you so much for having me.

We are taught, I told you this already, we're talking about one of my least favorite things to

talk about, not to walk in, I'm learning, God is guarding me, but vulnerability is just hard to

talk about. Yes, because then you're going to ask me why I struggle with vulnerability, and that's

when I started to really hate it. But first can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and your

book and kind of what you do? Yeah, yes, I am a marriage and family therapist, and I was trained at

a seminary, so you do all the same coursework as a secular program, but then you integrate kind

of like half an M-div, so you do old New Testament and Newdix and a lot of my, as a result, a lot of

my clients identify as Christians, and the impetus for the book was really hearing repeatedly from

my clients and then China checking in with colleagues, are you hearing this too, that often people go

to their spiritual community as a first step when they're struggling with something, whether it's a

relationship or it's a symptom like anxiety, and I kept hearing that kind of at best, they were

not helped, and at worst they were harmed, they were further wounded, and you mentioned the

Enneagram when we were chatting, well I'm an Enneagram one, so being a reformer, when I hear

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