I'm excited today to have someone on the podcast who needs no introduction, really.

Her podcast is everywhere.

10 million downloads I saw, which is pretty fantastic.

Only 9 million ahead of this podcast.

So we've got some work to do. Give it a week.

But the podcast is called Knowing Faith and it explores where we are in our journey following Jesus and really dives into his word.

Welcome, Jen Wilkin, to the Passion and Purpose podcast. I'm so glad that you are on with us today.

Thanks so much for having me on. If you don't know, Jen, she is a Texas girl, and Aggie, more specifically, Texas A&M. I want to get that in there, especially given that they're highly ranked currently in football, which is rare. I'm married into Texas,

Jen, as you know, and I'm married into the Texas side of Texas versus Texas A&M. So I got,

you know, I got some reasons why I have to be anti-AGI. But I'm not. I just sort of have to be.

We can be friends, but we can't be close friends. Yeah, we probably can't go to a game together. And obviously, I mentioned the podcast that a lot of people have been tracking with you for a long time, something like 13 seasons worth of the podcast, which is really impressive. We started it on a whim, so we're just shocked and gratified, of course.

Amazing. I respect you so much. We are in about season two and a half, I think, something like that,

maybe three. And I really, really respect where you are. Our podcast, this one is called

Passion and Purpose. And I like to start,

Jen, by asking people, like, how would you describe your purpose in life? And help me know when

you discovered that. Like, you are such a champion for biblical literacy and for people getting into God's word. When did you know this is what I am

supposed to be doing with my life? And how would you describe what your purpose in life is?

I always love when people have a story of calling where they were in their teens and they just

knew what they were supposed to do. But that is

not my story. A lot of people are going to be happy to hear you say that. I know, I know. I said,

I'm here to affirm all of your worst fears. I, I see my calling in hindsight. I really was, had been

doing the work for about 10 years before I sort of looked over my shoulder and

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