Welcome back to Psychedelics today.

This is Joe with Kyle here.

And today on the show, we have Emmanuel Sperio, is the founder of DanceSafe.

He's also working on a movie called MDMA The Movie.

It's going to be a really cool documentary.

I think, did he say a timeline, Kyle?

I don't think so.

He's still raising money to finish it up.

But I don't know.

I thought it was kind of done because I know they screen it a bunch.

But yeah, they're probably just, they're still raising money for like, you know, extra production costs and whatnot. Right. It sounds like they're doing some fundraising right now so they can finish it up. I hope that they're able to, I think Emmanuel said they're going to try to get it into some film festivals next year. And that should be really cool. But yeah, a fantastic guest. He's brilliant, super well educated on harm reduction,

and he came into the subject in a really interesting way that we get into in the show.

Was there anything that really surprised you or excited you about the conversation?

I think one thing that stuck out was the history of Dan Safe and like how he came about founding the company and putting it

together. And also I thought it was really interesting that they were doing pill testing early on.

Yeah. Well, I think the technology has always been there, right? Like police have to use a similar

method. You'll see it on a, you know, TV shows like

special victim unit or whatever. They'll throw the drug in a bag and smash a little vial

inside the bag and it does the reaction inside a bag. So they've been, you know, this tech has been

around for a while, which is cool. Yeah, I guess I didn't really mean the tech. Just the fact that

MDMA was, became, probably like, what,

10 years before he founded the company. So I figure with the drug war and stuff, it'd be really

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