Hi, this is Zibi Owens, and you're listening to Totally Booked with Zibby. Formerly, moms don't have time to read books. In my daily show, I interview today's latest, best-selling, buzziest, or underrated authors and story creators, whose work I think is worth your time. As a bookstore owner, publisher, author, and obviously podcaster, I get a comprehensive

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at Zibby Owens. Elise Arons is the author of We Might Just Make It After All, my best friendship

with Kate Spade. By the way, this is my book club pick, and we'll be meeting with Elise to talk about it.

Elise Ehrens is the co-founder of Kate Spade and co-founder and CEO of Francis Valentine.

Elise began her career in publicity and marketing before starting the multi-billion dollar bag company,

Kate Spade, alongside Katie, Katie's husband, Andy, and Pamela Bell out of a downtown New York City apartment.

She has been featured on Good Morning America and today and in People, WWD, New York Magazine, and more.

Elise lives in New York with her husband and three daughters.

Welcome, Elise. Thank you so much for coming on totally booked with Zibby to talk about.

We might just make it, after all, my best friendship with Kate Spade. Congratulations.

Thank you. And thanks for having me. Oh, it's my pleasure. I loved this book for so many reasons, the fact that it charted the whole business evolution of Kate Spade and your involvement with that. So it was kind of like a business memoir on the side. But while you track your friendship with Kate Spade and both of it,

and it's really like your own coming of age story, I just loved it. It was like three books

and one. So congrats. Oh, thank you so much. I thoroughly enjoyed writing it and it was so

therapeutic at the same time,

just because there are so many stories. I mean, we'd known each other since we were 18 years old,

and we had been through so much being broke college kids together, moving to New York, and, you know,

making it here also being broke, and, you know, living in really strange apartments

and scary neighborhoods and finally, you know, breaking through and starting our own business,

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