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Uncanny Valley | WIRED

Elon’s Twitter Playbook at DOGE

Uncanny Valley | WIRED

WIRED

Technology

4.1575 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

WIRED’s Director of Business & Industry Zoë Schiffer and Katie Drummond, Global Editorial Director, talk about credit card freezes and AI technology at DOGE, and how each is a move from the Twitter playbook.

Articles mentioned in this episode: DOGE Puts $1 Spending Limit on Government Employee Credit Cards, Elon Musk’s $1 Spending Limit Is Paralyzing Federal Agencies, DOGE Is Working on Software That Automates the Firing of Government Workers, Elon Musk’s DOGE Is Working on a Custom Chatbot Called GSAi


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0:00.0

Welcome to Wired's Uncanny Valley. I'm Wired's global editorial director, Katie Drummond.

0:11.6

Today on the show, credit card freezes and how Doge is using AI. I'm joined today by Wired's

0:18.6

director of business and industry, Zoe Schiffer.

0:22.7

Zoe, welcome to Uncanny Valley.

0:23.8

Thank you so much, Katie.

0:29.3

And we obviously know you well on this show because you co-host our Thursday episodes with Mike and Lauren.

0:31.8

Exactly. Yes, I'm switching sides this week.

0:33.5

And let's get right into it. So, Zoe, two weeks ago on February 20th, you published a story on Wired.com about a $1

0:41.7

spending limit being placed on government employee credit cards. Walk us through that first

0:47.8

story. You've subsequently published more reporting on that topic this week. But tell us

0:52.8

sort of where this came from at the outset.

0:56.1

Yeah. Okay. So like you said, on February 20th, employees at the General Services Administration

1:01.7

received this memo, kind of abruptly telling them that most of the credit cards used by

1:07.7

their office, as well as like every federal employee across the government,

1:12.1

we're going to have a $1 spending limit.

1:15.5

There's basically two types of credit cards that are used by most federal employees.

1:19.5

There's travel cards which are used for all sorts of work travel,

1:22.6

and then there's purchase cards which are used for like everything else.

1:25.9

So think like basic supplies,

1:28.4

trainings, software licenses, like all of that sort of thing. So this was almost immediately

1:34.4

going to have like a pretty severe impact on the ability for a lot of these people to do

1:40.9

their jobs. And what was the premise by which Doge mandated this credit card freeze?

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