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We're joined now for part two of our interview with reporter Chris McGreel.

He was Johannesburg correspondent for The Guardian during the last years of apartheid through 2002.

His new piece for the Guardian is headlined,

What does Elon Musk believe and how the roots of the PayPal Mafia extend to apartheid South Africa?

The South African-born billionaire, Elon Musk, is now a leader in Trump's administration and has said

white South Africans have been victims of, quote, racist ownership laws and accused the post-apartheid

government of anti-white racism, prompting Trump to cut off all aid to South Africa in an executive

order Friday.

Welcome back to Democracy Now.

Thank you for staying with us for part two, Chris.

So let's continue our conversation about the Musk family.

But go back further in time.

Sure.

So we see Musk's grandfather Joshua Haldeman. He immigrates to South Africa in

1950. And that's really when apartheids just started to kick in. The 1950s are when the most,

the first laws, South Africa had had discriminatory laws before, but you see the specific apartheid

laws which are much more aggressive, in many ways reminiscent of the Nazi Nuremberg laws against

Jews in the 1930s. They have very similar echoes in stripping black people from the right

to work in certain places, their movements,

controlling them, confining them to areas.

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