The following is a conversation with Elon Musk, part two. The second time we spoke on the podcast,

with parallels, if not in quality, then in outfit, to the objectively speaking greatest sequel of

all time, Godfather Part Two. As many people know, Elon Musk is a leader of Tesla, SpaceX,

Newerlink, and the boring company. What may be less known is that he's a world class engineer

and designer, constantly emphasizing first principles thinking and taking on big,

engineering problems that many before him will consider impossible. As scientists and engineers,

most of us don't question the way things are done, we simply follow the momentum of the crowd.

But revolutionary ideas that change the world on the small and large scales happen when you

return to the fundamentals and ask, is there a better way? This conversation focuses on the

incredible engineering and innovation done in brain computer interfaces at Newerlink.

This work promises to help treat neurobiological diseases to help us further understand the

connection between the individual neuron to the high level function of the human brain.

And finally, to one day expand the capacity of the brain through two-way communication

with computational devices, the internet, and artificial intelligence systems.

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at Lex Friedman's spelled F-R-I-D-M-A-N. And now, as an anonymous YouTube commenter,

refer to our previous conversation as the quote, historical first video of two robots conversing

without supervision. Here's the second time, the second conversation with Elon Musk.

Let's start with an easy question about consciousness. In your view, is consciousness something

that's unique to humans? Or is it something that permeates all matter, almost like a fundamental

force of physics? I don't think consciousness permeates all matter. Panpsychists believe that.

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