From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the Treatment.

If you listen to the show, you know I think the costumes are a important part of the storytelling of film and television and anything else, and they get short-script.

So I've got someone here who has worked with, if you've seen Michael Douglas in any film

in the past 30 years, the odd star, she costumed him for it.

She's also worked with Adrian Line a few times.

She's, my God, with Jamie Foley, the start of his career on Reckless. And for the last few years, she's worked with, among other people,

with Steven Soderberg, and start with her, his work with Michael Douglas, on behind a candelabra.

I met her for showing we did Lackma of the Nick, for which the costumes were extraordinary. Thanks

to her, I have a pair of those white shoes, and I'm never going to wear them again. First of all, my guess is Ellen Marajnick.

Her newest film of the collaboration with Steven Soderberg is Logan Lucky. She's also got

the greatest showman and her second collaboration with Angelina Jolie, which is... First, they

killed my father. I can't thank you enough for being here, Alan. Thank you so much for doing this.

And what's so much fun about the way you work as a costumer is often there are

pairings in your movies and there's a peacock and somebody who's not a peacock.

And this idea of this person who has to be the center of drama,

and Michael Douglas has been both characters, both the peacock, and he looks like one night

at McCool's, he's not the peacock.

And behind a candlelaba, he's clearly the peacock.

But for you, that tension between somebody who's kind of a showy person in the way they dress

and somebody who's not seems to be kind of the way you think these things true sometimes,

isn't it?

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