Welcome to Pretty Lies and Alibis. Let's seek the truth and travel the long road to justice together.

What you know, Alibiers? Welcome to another episode of Pretty Liza.

Alabas, I'm Gee, good to have you here on this Friday. We made it to the weekend.

Hope you guys have something fun plan. Maybe you're just going to chill. I'm going to be working hard. I have one kid in St. Louis. I have one kid at the beach with the rest of my family and one at home in the bed not feeling too hot. So'm going to take some time I've got things

to send to listeners that I promised check my inbox keep researching this case

for sure still planning to get the discord at some point.

Hopefully this week I've been promising that for a while.

I definitely now feel people's pain

when I used to try to explain Lori Valo to them

in like 10 minutes and their head would kind of spin because I underestimated how much research

I would need to do to really get a good grip on this case.

That's why you haven't had an episode out from me about this case for two days.

Taking it slow, I want to make sure I can be as accurate as possible.

We're going to go through the autopsy today.

I'm not a medical examiner.

I have researched some things to hopefully make it a little more layman for everybody to understand the horrific injuries that Ellen sustained. If I get something wrong, let me know I need to correct something. I highly highly highly recommend if you

hat and like I told you in the last episode on this case go listen to

Joseph Scott Morgan's episode on this he was live at crime con last year in

Las Vegas when he did it, his opinion and his knowledge on what

Ellen endured is something that helped me to better understand really how impossible it is.

This was a suicide as ruled can't believe we're even still

saying that 12 years later it's insane music fact of the day guardians of the galaxy

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