Elizabeth Shackelford on 'The Dissent Channel'
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🗓️ 13 May 2020
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Scott R. Anderson sat down with Elizabeth Shackelford, a former foreign service officer whose late 2017 resignation became a sign of growing discontent with the Trump administration within the diplomatic corps. They talked about her new book, "The Dissent Channel," out this week, which discusses her experience as a young diplomat living through a period of crisis in South Sudan, and the lessons it taught her about diplomacy, human rights and the role of the United States in the world.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | You know, there were things that we could have pushed for and that people did, but |
| 0:37.4 | which the United States government ultimately pulled back from like you know |
| 0:40.5 | an arms embargo early on and you know harsher sanctions earlier on and |
| 0:44.4 | statements making accusations against you know against the government |
| 0:48.7 | things that it did as opposed to just general statements of both sides needs |
| 0:52.6 | to stop fighting which I found the generic way that we tended to respond when |
| 0:58.5 | anything bad would happen. |
| 0:59.6 | I viewed this early on I saw this before the war started and I wondered why we |
| 1:03.6 | weren't doing more and it's really been reinforced for me in the you know |
| 1:07.3 | months and years since that you know what might have been different would it |
| 1:12.1 | have stopped the violence? No would it have reduced it? Certainly an arms embargo |
| 1:16.1 | would have would it have given us more leverage against the government? |
| 1:20.9 | You know I think so but even if it wouldn't I think that there would have been a lot of value to us not |
| 1:27.3 | reaffirming and validating you know bad actors that are in place. |
| 1:32.1 | This is an issue with South Sudan and you know it's an issue with many countries |
| 1:36.5 | around the world Saudi Arabia is a wonderful example of that you know |
| 1:40.5 | places where we disapprove of very extreme acts by the government and yet for |
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