Elizabeth Neumann on Violence Prevention, Safety, & True Security
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5 • 1.8K Ratings
🗓️ 25 September 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
How Is Radicalization A Risk in Online Spaces?
Host Curtis Chang sits down with Elizabeth Neumann, former DHS counterterrorism leader, to explore the rise of political violence in our digital world. From Charlie Kirk's assassination to the role of memes, online gaming, and extremist recruitment, they uncover how radicalization thrives—and where faith communities, government, and citizens can step in to push back against hate and defend freedom.
(01:54) - Understanding and Preventing Political Violence
(08:22) - The Broader Context of Rising Violence
(12:03) - Addressing Root Causes of Mass Violence
(21:29) - Online Gaming and Extremism Concerns
(27:15) - Rating the Trump Administration's Response to the Crisis
(34:09) - Government Response to Political Violence
(42:34) - Jesus Followers and the Threat of Violence
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Mentioned in this episode:
- Recommended Resource: Mass Violence Prevention
- An Independent article: The sinister role of 'black-pilling' in the murder of Charlie Kirk
- Elizabeth Newman's book Kingdom of Rage
From the U.N.:Examining the Intersection Between Gaming and Violent Extremism (pdf) - Learn about: The Calm Network (764) (the United States Attorney's Office District of Columbia)
- Learn how Violent Online Networks Target Vulnerable and Underage Populations
More From Elizabeth Neumann:
- Check out Elizebeth Neumann's website
- Elizabeth Neumann's archived DHS biography
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| 0:00.0 | Pray with us Tuesday, September 30th at noon Eastern. |
| 0:04.0 | Join Good Faith for a live prayer meeting as Curtis Chang, Russell Moore, Chuck Mingo, Sarah |
| 0:09.2 | Billups, Dr. Mark Termin, Caitlin Chess, and our listeners. |
| 0:13.0 | Pray the beatitudes over our nation and one another. |
| 0:16.0 | Register for the link today. |
| 0:20.0 | The fact that we are seeing increasing levels of violence is not new. |
| 0:25.1 | And that is rather alarming because as a security professional, I have like good news. |
| 0:31.8 | We actually can prevent this. |
| 0:33.1 | We know a whole lot about why people go and commit these attacks. |
| 0:53.3 | Yeah. We know a whole lot about why people go and commit these attacks. Welcome to the Good Faith podcast. I'm your host, Curtis Chang, and the Good Faith podcast is where friends who follow Jesus help each other make sense of the world. |
| 1:02.4 | The podcast is a production of Redeeming Babel, a 501C3 nonpartisan organization. |
| 1:10.5 | Now, since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the world feels more and more insecure. |
| 1:18.4 | And the sense of insecurity is especially present in places we used to feel secure, |
| 1:23.6 | college campuses, public rallies, and so forth. |
| 1:27.0 | How did we get here? And perhaps just as important, |
| 1:31.3 | how do we get out of this place of insecurity? To answer these and other questions, I am so glad to |
| 1:37.7 | welcome back to the Good Faith podcast, Elizabeth Newman. Elizabeth served as the assistant secretary for counterterrorism and |
| 1:46.1 | threat prevention at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security during the Bush administration, |
| 1:51.3 | came back to the White House again in 2017 to serve in the Trump administration, the first one, |
| 1:57.4 | publicly resigning in 2020. She is the author of Kingdom of Rage, the Rise of Christian |
| 2:03.9 | Extremism, and the Path Back to Peace. Elizabeth, welcome back to the Good Faith podcast. |
| 2:10.8 | Thanks for having me, Curtis. Elizabeth, so let's get right into it. As an expert on security, on national security, what was your |
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