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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Elites have captured identity politics

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2022

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Sean Illing talks with Olúfẹ́mi Táíwò, whose new book Elite Capture is about how the wealthy and powerful co-opt political movements, and use the language of progressive activism to further their ends. They discuss the history and meaning of "identity politics," the notion of "woke capitalism," and how to arrive at a more constructive politics — one that actually engages directly in redistributing social resources and power, rather than achieving merely symbolic gains. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox Guest: Olúfẹ́mi Táíwò (@OlufemiOTaiwo), author; professor of philosophy, Georgetown University References: Elite Capture: How the Powerful Took Over Identity Politics (And Everything Else) by Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò (Haymarket; 2022) "Identity Politics and Elite Capture" by Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò (Boston Review; May 7, 2020) "Niani S. Phillips is an Environmentalist with a serious commitment to sustainability." (McDonald's YouTube; Mar. 31) The Combahee River Collective Statement (1977) "Until Black Women Are Free, null of Us Will Be Free" by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor (New Yorker; July 20, 2020) "Black Lives Matter Secretly Bought a $6 Million House" by Sean Campbell (Intelligencer; Apr. 4) Why I Am Not A Feminist: A Feminist Manifesto by Jessa Crispin (Melville House; 2017) "What's New About Woke Racial Capitalism (And What Isn't)" by Enzo Rossi and Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò (Spectre; Dec. 18, 2020) Enjoyed this episode? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Patrick Boyd Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Sean Elling, and I'm your host for Vox Conversations.

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That phrase, identity politics, has become one of those blunt affifetz people use to dismiss forms of politics they don't like.

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You hear a lot of talk about identity politics. The division of American identity politics, flat out racism, and bigotry, but to the mob, the media, the small ones gets a bad rap.

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Do you not agree that the real threat from identity politics in the United States to West Texas ask what's so bad about identity politics?

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You wouldn't care about identity politics if it was your identity.

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And the general complaint, if we're being charitable, is that identity politics is toxic because it's narrow and exclusionary, whether it's being practiced by black Americans or trans people or white supremacists.

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So the idea is that as someone's doing identity politics, they're not mobilizing around some particular group interest, like class, for example.

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They're mobilizing around some fixed aspect of, well, their identity.

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And that's just bad politics in a diverse society that requires broad coalitions that cut across group differences.

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People on the other side of this will often say that this is really just an attack on race and gender politics, or that everyone has identities, and politics is simply about mobilizing around those identities.

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In other words, identity politics is just politics.

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