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The Interview

Eliot Higgins: Searching for facts in a 'post-truth' world

The Interview

BBC

Politics, News, Government

4.3538 Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2019

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Can complex truths be revealed using digital fragments from the worldwide web? Eliot Higgins is the founder of the investigative website Bellingcat, which in recent years has broken a series of scoops. Bellingcat has exposed the depth of Russian military involvement in the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine; it revealed the identities of two key Russian suspects in the poisoning of former spy Sergei Skripal; most recently, it has provided damning detail about the suspected assassin of a Chechen rebel in Berlin. Has Bellingcat reinvented journalism for our "fake news" age?

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0:00.0

You're listening to a podcast from the BBC World Service. This is Hard Talk with me, Stephen Sacker.

0:07.0

Thanks for downloading this edition of the program. I do hope you enjoy it.

0:11.5

My guest today has seen his integrity questioned and his work ridiculed by senior officials in Moscow,

0:20.1

Damascus, Riyadh, and other centres of power.

0:23.8

And that's quite an achievement for a self-confessed computer nerd from the English Midlands,

0:29.8

armed with nothing more than an internet connection and a curious mind.

0:34.8

It was the violence that followed the so-called Arab Spring, which prompted Elliot Higgins

0:39.5

to begin his painstaking online research into claims being made by those in power. His blog, written

0:47.8

from his bedroom, was called Brown Moses. By 2014, it evolved into a website called Bellingcat, which used open-source online

0:58.0

investigation techniques to publish a series of scoops. Bellingcat exposed the depth of Russian

1:04.9

military involvement in the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 over Ukraine. It revealed the real identities of two key

1:12.9

Russian suspects in the poisoning of former spy Sergei Scripal. And most recently, it's provided

1:19.1

damning detail about the Russian suspected assassin of a Chechen rebel in Berlin. There's a common

1:26.3

theme here, of course. Belinkat has repeatedly embarrassed

1:30.0

Vladimir Putin's Russia. But Moscow isn't their only target. Its supporters say Belinkat has reinvented

1:38.1

journalism for the post-truth age, but can open-source investigation really separate fact from fiction? Well, Elliot Higgins

1:48.8

joins me now. Welcome to Hard Talk. Hi. I want to start, if I may, with a self-definition.

1:55.2

Would you describe yourself as a journalist or a data analyst or some sort of online detective.

2:03.6

I like online detective. We do, I think you could say, acts of journalism in some of the work we're doing.

2:09.3

But really the way we work with Bellingcat uses open source investigation on a whole range of topics that go beyond journalism.

2:16.4

So I find it very difficult to define what we

2:18.5

actually do beyond just saying we do investigations. Do you have to be a specialist in terms of

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