there can't be any contempt in your message. And I think that can be very difficult to remember

if you are feeling an overwhelming sense of urgency and anger about the situation that we're in

and the denial of the situation or the acceptance of the situation. And it's really

hard to balance being vocal and active while not having disdain and contempt for those that

aren't. But I prioritize efficiency over pretty much everything. And if you come with that error of, I'm smarter,

I'm better, I know more, and you don't, you will not have open ears welcome you to the conversation.

Welcome to Care More Be Better, a podcast for people like you who care about the social impact of conscious

companies and everyday heroes. Here inspiring stories from those who put people in planet before

profit and personal gain. You'll learn how you can make a difference, vote with your dollars,

and get involved today. Here's your host, Karina Belize.

Welcome to Care More Be Better, a podcast exploring the people and projects that

were shaped systems to protect what matters most, people, planet, and the next generation.

Today's conversation tackles one of the most uncomfortable but necessary realities in climate work.

And that's how polarization, perfectionism, and a fear of getting it wrong can slow us down at the very moment that we really need collective momentum the most.

My guest today is Jenny Morgan.

She's a climate strategist, speaker, and advocate for

high integrity climate action. Jenny helps organizations move from climate ambition to measurable

outcomes, and she's also the author of Cancel Culture in Climate, a book that challenges us to

replace that division with dialogue and progress over perfection.

Together we'll explore what it means to build climate solutions that are truly accountable,

inclusive, and rooted in shared responsibility without losing our humanity along the way.

With that, let's welcome her to the show.

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