From WNYC Studios, I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Thursday, December 21st.

As you've been hearing in the news, no doubt, the Colorado Supreme Court has barred Donald Trump from appearing on the ballot there for

president because they ruled he violated the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment. Now, I'm

going to read the whole clause to start this off because I've been hearing it referred to a lot

or tiny little excerpts from it because that's all they can do in a newscast.

We have the luxury of time. So here is the full text. No person shall be a senator or representative

in Congress or elector of president and vice president or hold any office, remember that part, any office, civil or

military under the United States or under any state who, having previously taken an oath as a member

of Congress or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature,

or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the

United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against

the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds

of each house, remove such disability. There it is, the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment, and boy, is that a big run-on

sentence in the middle of it, the heart of it, the part that matters, but a lot to discuss

in the language there that the Colorado Supreme Court based its four to three decision on,

it was a split decision, four to three, and what the United States Supreme Court is almost certainly now going to consider, so let's consider it here.

Our guest for this is Ellie Mistal, Justice Correspondent and columnist for the Nation magazine and host of a new podcast called Contempt of Court with Ellie Mistal.

He is also author of the book, Allow Me to

Retort a Black Guy's Guide to the Constitution out now in paperback. And spoiler alert,

Ellie thinks the Colorado Supreme Court got it right, but the U.S. Supreme Court will overturn.

Ellie, always good to have you on. Welcome back to WNYC. Thank you so much for having me on,

Brian. This has definitely ruined my holiday season. I was supposed to be on a beach by now.

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