There's a tremendous amount of group think in mainstream media newsrooms.

And one of my takeaways from covering the White House at a mainstream organization

was that they're really motivated to cover the president or lawmakers when it's a Republican.

They don't quite feel the same motivation when it's a Democrat because largely they're

sympathetic to these people when they're Democrats in a way that they don't feel when the president's a Republican, particularly when it's President Trump.

Where do you think the future of media and journalism goes?

Does social media kill off a lot of the legacy news publications and give rise to more of some of the independent outlets where people are?

I think we're seeing like a much more fractured media environment where,

you know, somebody like you, Katie, can say, I'm going to start up a podcast and give people an

offering and where people can really curate media according to their taste. You know, as a conservative,

this is what drives us crazy is that at the beacon, we say, we're conservative, we love freedom.

Our beef is that at the New York Time,

they're pretending they're down the middle.

We make fun of ourselves.

We make fun of other journalists because this isn't,

we're not doing brain surgery.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to this week's episode of the Katie Miller podcast. We're so excited to be in

Washington, D.C. today, joined by Elena Johnson of the Washington Free Beacon. Nice to have you.

Thanks for having me. So tell the audience a bit about yourself. How long have you been at the free

beacon and how did you get to be editor-in-chief

of what I'm going to consider a major news publication?

Thank you. That's generous of you. And so I have been in journalism for about the past

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