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Breaking History

Eli Lake and Haviv Rettig Gur on Why Iran's Regime Is Hard to Kill

Breaking History

The Free Press

History

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

What does it actually take to break a regime built on martyrdom? Eli Lake sits down with Haviv Rettig Gur — host of Ask Haviv Anything and one of the deepest thinkers on the Middle East — to assess week five of the Iran war. They trace the ideological DNA of Iran’'s Islamic Republic from the Algerian National Liberation Front to Frantz Fanon to Ali Shariati, and explain why this is a regime designed to treat its own destruction as a form of victory. Plus: what a color revolution in Tehran could mean for Sunni Islamism, Hamas, and the future of the Palestinian question. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I am so delighted to have my friend Haviv Reddick Gore coming back onto the breaking history feed.

0:35.6

I think the last time we spoke was the 12-day war with Iran.

0:41.3

And I wanted to check in with you this time around.

0:44.3

And I have to just recommend to Breaking History listeners,

0:47.3

Ask Kaviv Anything, is really one of my favorite podcasts.

0:51.3

And you are getting a very deep deep serious intellectual dive into not just the tactics and

0:59.6

strategy of wars in the Middle East and things like that but I would say kind of deep political

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and theological history which is one of the reasons we cherish you as a leading light of the Republic of Letters.

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So thank you, Aviv.

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Thank you, Eli.

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