Hey listeners, a quick note before we begin.

This is the second in a two-part episode on American election security.

If you haven't listened to our part one episode yet, pause now and go back as what we'll discuss here will rely on information covered there. Hi listeners welcome back to the malicious life podcast in collaboration with cyber reason.

I'm Ran Levy. And I'm Nate Nelson.

We've all heard about Russian meddling and we've heard about cases where even voting machines have for reasons of

glitches or what not shut down and cause long lines Has a computer hack ever occurred against an election of any

import in your in your knowledge? Well, has a computer hack occurred?

We're listening to Maggie McAlpine, co-founder of Nordic Innovation Labs.

Now until quite recently I would usually have to say that there's a really endemic problem

to election security which is that because it's so wrapped up in politics, generally speaking

experts have really had to fight have been denied over and over again

to be allowed to do a forensic check of things like touch screen voting machines.

So they would have to say no there's no's no evidence of it, but that's only because we haven't

been allowed to look.

Ron, have you ever heard of the votes in a major country's election being changed by a malicious

computer hacker?

Not of the top of my head.

Plenty of manipulated elections, but never from a data breach specifically.

Maybe one of our listeners will correct me on Twitter.

I can't think of any right now either, but that's not to say that it couldn't have ever happened.

It's kind of like saying there might not have been a murder, but I'd like to check out the crime scene to see if there's a body in there,

but then saying, well, because you can't be certain if there's a body in there, you're not allowed to go look at the crime scene.

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