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Search Phoenix Group living longer. Hello and edition of Oh God, what now? I'm Jacob Jarvis, and today we're going to be discussing the polls, which by my estimation,

look horrifically bad for Sunak and increasingly good for Starma.

I'm no expert, luckily my guest today is though. Here to discuss the numbers with me

is a man the New York Times called the One Man Everyone Trusts on UK Election Nights.

He's probably the most recognizable Polling in Britain it's professor John

Curtis hello John thank you joining me today hi how nice to be with you let's do the

big question first then how much do you trust these polls and the main sway of the figures?

Well, I mean, I think the first thing I would say to, and I always say to anybody about

this, is the polls should be taken but not inhaled.

They should give us a broad indication of the range of results that

looks potentially conceivable or likely, but we shouldn't necessarily assume

that they're going to give us a pinpoint accuracy.

And inevitably, particularly given we've now got more polls than ever,

there's a certain amount of variation. So at the moment if you take the polls

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