Hello and welcome to the Thinking Fellows podcast.

My name is Caleb Keith, and the Thinking Fellows is part of the 1517 podcast network of shows.

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Today I am joined by Scott Keith and Bruce Hillman. we're getting very near the end of our dogmatics series here where we have been walking through the outline sort of provided by the table contents of Francis Peeper.

It's been several months, I don't know, six months since we've started this series.

We've been going doctrine by doctrine.

And today we are talking about the doctrine of election.

So it taken a while to get here.

There was sort of some sub-election earlier on in the series, but this is where it gets its full treatment.

So we'll talk about this sometimes controversial doctrine, perhaps for Lutherans,

one of the most misunderstood amongst Lutherans about sort of the position in our confessions versus that which sometimes how it gets

explained and the like so, an important one nonetheless.

So where to begin?

Maybe we should define election, and that will probably get us into some of the Lutheran difference, because we've been talking about the difference between Lutherans and other groups, and we'll go from there.

Dad, do you want to try to give us, you want to give us a definition for election?

Sure.

That's funny.

I usually, I'll just do a definition, but I usually, when I say I'm teaching this to a group of undergrad students who have never encountered it before, kind of set it up with the options, right?

But before we do that, the doctrine of election is the doctrine that we get from scripture

that god that if you are saved um it is because god in his divine love for you decided um before all

things to save you to in Christ save you, and then to send you a preacher

that would then bring you to himself. And that in his love for you, he did this or the foundation

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