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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics.

It's Thursday, July 16th. I'm Dorothy Wickendon, executive editor of The New Yorker writers and editors about politics. It's Thursday, July 16th. I'm Dorothy

Wiccenden, executive editor of The New Yorker. On Saturday night, the billionaire Mexican drug lord

Joachim Guzman, known as El Chapo, escaped through a shower drain from the most secure prison in the

country. Here's White House Press Secretary Josh Ernest on Monday.

Mr. Guzman was originally taken to custody about a year and a half ago. The United States

did communicate clearly to the Mexican government. Our view that Mr. Guzman should face the

charges that have been imposed against him here in the United States. I'm joined by Patrick Radin-Keefe to talk about the sensational escape

and what it could mean for the war on drugs and the political battles over immigration in this country.

So, Patrick, last April, you wrote about the capture of El Chapo, the head of the Sinaloa cartel,

who escaped from a different Mexican security prison in 2001.

Tell us a little bit about the cartel and why you've called Guzman perhaps the most wanted fugitive on the planet.

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