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The Great Women Artists

Ekow Eshun on Toni Morrison, Octavia E. Butler, Hilary Mantel, Wangechi Mutu, and more

The Great Women Artists

Katy Hessel

Arts

4.8944 Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

I'm so excited to say that today’s guest on the Great Women Artist Podcast is the esteemed curator, writer, broadcaster and cultural trailblazer, Ekow Eshun. Born in North-west London in 1968, Eshun has been at the forefront of creative culture for decades. Writing across subjects and presenting documentaries, Eshun has curated groundbreaking exhibitions. From the 2022 In the Black Fantastic, at the Hayward in London – to The Time Is Always Now, a study of the Black figure and its representation in contemporary art, that began at London’s National Portrait Gallery, and has since travelled across the US. The author of multiple books: in 2006, he published his memoir: “Black Gold of the Sun: Searching for Home in England and Africa” an exploration of identity and race, that sees Eshun travelling through Ghana in search of his roots. And in 2024, The Strangers, a stunning work of creative nonfiction that tells the story of five pioneering Black men set against a vivid backdrop of art, culture, and resistance. So for this special episode we are going to deep dive into the women writers and artists who have influenced his life and career, including Morrison, the pioneering science fiction writer, Octavia E. Butler, Kenyan-American artist Wangechi Mutu, the Rotterdam based artist Ellen Gallagher, and photographer Liz Johnson Artur. Because, as Eshun himself says, “The great thing about working with artists is they don’t walk a straight line or think along linear paths; they think in patterns, allowing us to approach long-established conversations from a novel perspective.” Octavia E. Butler (1947–2006) Hilary Mantel (1952–2022) Wangechi Mutu (b.1972) Ellen Gallagher (b.1965) Liz Johnson Artur (1964) Toni Morrison (1931–2019) Exhibitions mentioned: In the Black Fantastic, 2022, Hayward Gallery, London: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/venues/hayward-gallery/past-exhibitions/in-the-black-fantastic/ The Time Is Always Now, 2024-present, touring: https://www.npg.org.uk/whatson/exhibitions/2024/the-time-is-always-now The Clearing, space Un gallery, Tokyo, November 2025; https://www.artweektokyo.com/en/institution-gallery/space-un/ Books mentioned: Octavia Butler - Parable of the Sower (1993) https://www.waterstones.com/book/parable-of-the-sower/octavia-e-butler/9781472263667 Octavia Butler - XenoGenesis trilogy; Dawn (1987), Adulthood Rites (1988), and Imago (1989) https://www.octaviabutler.com/xenogenesis-series Hilary Mantel - The Wolf Hall trilogy; Wolf Hall (2009), Bring Up the Bodies (2012), and The Mirror & the Light (2020) https://www.waterstones.com/book/wolf-hall/hilary-mantel/9780008381691 Ekow Eshun - Black Gold of the Sun: Searching for Home in England and Africa (2006): https://www.waterstones.com/book/9780141010960?sv1=affiliate&sv_campaign_id=117976&awc=3787_1761656125_d069bd054bf50de1a9bfc45991a52d17&utm_source=117976&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=Penguin+Books Ekow Eshun - The Strangers (2024): https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-strangers/ekow-eshun/9780241990698 Herman Melville - Moby Dick (1851) https://www.waterstones.com/book/moby-dick/herman-melville/andrew-delbanco/9780142437247 Toni Morrison - Beloved (1987) https://www.waterstones.com/book/beloved/toni-morrison/9780099760115 -- THIS EPISODE IS GENEROUSLY SUPPORTED BY THE LEVETT COLLECTION: https://www.famm.com/en/ https://www.instagram.com/famm_mougins // https://www.merrellpublishers.com/9781858947037 Follow us: Katy Hessel: @thegreatwomenartists / @katy.hessel Sound editing by Nada Smiljanic Music by Ben Wetherfield

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome back to season 14 of the Great Woman Artist podcast. I'm so thrilled to be bringing you a fantastic series featuring conversations with artists, writers, curators and more. Just before I introduce our sponsor, I am very excited to let you know that I have written a new book. How to Live an Artful Life is out on the 6th of November

0:22.2

2025 and features a quote by an artist or writer for every day of the year. Think Tracy

0:28.6

Emin to Marino Abramovich, Zadie Smith to Ali Smith, Nan Golden to Hilton Al's, plus historical

0:34.5

writers and artists too. In the book, they offer us advice from how to slow down and pay

0:40.1

attention to daily routines and putting ideas into action. Each month takes on a different theme.

0:46.1

For example, January is about where do ideas come from? February is all about love and passion.

0:51.9

August is about beauty. November is about memory. December is about

0:55.7

joy. Because in a world where it seems that so many of us forget to look anymore, we can learn from

1:01.2

those who do. And to help the reader feel like they can apply the artist's word to their life,

1:06.6

I've written a short response to each entry to help guide and inspire you throughout the year.

1:11.9

And I've linked to where you can pre-order it from in the show notes.

1:14.8

And now for our sponsor, I am thrilled to say that this series is supported by the Levitt Collection,

1:20.7

a vast and varied art collection, which in the last eight years has become entirely focused

1:26.3

on works by women artists.

1:28.6

You can find much of this, made up of Impressionists, abstract expressionists, contemporary artists

1:33.7

and more, at FAM in Mujan, France, the first private museum in mainland Europe, devoted

1:40.0

entirely to female artists, spearheaded by Christian Levitt, who has published three research

1:46.0

books in this area. Recently, they launched The Levitt Letter, a monthly subscription-based letter,

1:52.3

advising collectors and dealers on the future trends in this specific art market.

1:57.5

Subscribers to the Levitt Letter also become members of the Levit Lounge, a community where

2:02.5

Christine shares his valuable insights and expertise, and gives subscribers direct access to visiting

2:08.4

Levitt's home in Florence and Mujan and the monthly webinar. Across all of these platforms,

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