"Eight Billion and Counting" - Dr Jennifer Sciubba and Demographic Security

When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Zack Twamley

Phd, International Relations, Korean War, European History, 17th Century, 18th Century, Politics, 20th Century, Thirty Years' War, History, 19th Century, War, First World War

4.8 • 773 Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2022

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Real quick - turns out Indira Ghandi is NOT related to Ghandi at all, and is in fact the daughter of Nehru. What are the odds of that? Thanks to Andrew Mence for the correction!

For this bonus interview episode, I'm very excited to be joined by Dr Jennifer Sciubba! Here she talks about her new book, 8 Billion and Counting: How Sex, Death and Migration Shape our World - which you can get here!

We have a fascinating conversation about population; the impact which a declining population can have on a country's foreign policy (hello Russia!), and the pros and cons of a youth-heavy vs an elderly-heavy population. Is the world's population destined to grow forever? Is there reason to be positive about the future? For all this and more, do yourself a favour and geek out with us on population - the underlying factor which is WAY too important to ignore.

Want to know more about my wonderful guest? Dr Sciubba is an internationally recognized expert in the field of demographic security. She frequently advises the US Government and others on demographics, and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and of the board of the Population Reference Bureau. She is affiliated with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Environmental Change and Security Program at the Woodrow Wilson Center, and the Rising Powers Initiative at Boston University. Currently, Sciubba is an Associate Professor in the Department of International Studies at Rhodes College, one of the country's leading liberal arts colleges.

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0:00.0	So, oh, sorry, I need to clarify this. How do you pronounce your surname? Just so...
0:06.0	Sure. It's Chuba, like shoes. Right. With tuba. That's perfect. That's fine. I just, my surname is Twomley. So I've had termly, twamly, twanly, all sorts. So I empathize with you constantly having to correct people.
0:35.2	Hello and welcome history friends, patrons, all to a special bonus little interview episode here.
0:42.9	A little while ago I sat down to talk to Professor Jennifer Shuba, who is an internationally recognised expert in the field of demographic security.
0:53.9	Particularly in this episode, we're talking about her new book called 8 billion and
0:58.7	counting, how sex, death and migration shaped our world.
1:03.1	It's a fascinating conversation, and we get into all sorts of interesting little details,
1:08.6	such as challenges that countries with a large youth population
1:14.5	face versus challenges that a country with a large elderly population face, what kind of impact
1:22.5	might a actively declining population have on a country's foreign policy choices. Of course, in that instance,
1:30.4	we just have to talk about Russia. But even though the Russian example is pretty clear in the mind,
1:37.0	we also talk about other historical examples to everything from Romania to India and many more
1:43.5	besides. So I hope you enjoy this talk we have here.
1:48.1	And if you do, make sure to check out Dr. Shuba's book 8 billion and counting, or failing that if you'd like to get some bite-sized chunks of this information and learn more about demographics in the process and how they're
2:03.0	relevant to our world, you can subscribe to Dr. Shuba's substack and a link for both these things.
2:09.9	The book and the substack are in the description below.
2:13.9	Dr. Shuba was a great sport and we had a great conversation.
2:19.1	So make sure and show your love and appreciation and check these out. The next voices you hear will be mine and Dr. Jennifer Shubas.
2:27.5	Thanks and enjoy.
2:54.8	Okay, history friends. I'm very happy to welcome onto the podcast, Dr. Jennifer Shuba, who's here to talk about her book, 8 billion and counting, how sex, death and immigrant and migration shape our world. Welcome on the podcast, Jennifer. Thank you so much, Zach. It is my pleasure to be here. Cool. Well, I think we'd like to get like a little bit of
3:01.0	background on you before we start off. I mean, even just a very brief examination of your biography reveals that you've done and are doing an awful lot of stuff.
3:12.1	But in terms of your interest with demographics, where did that all begin?
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