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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

Effectively Wild Episode 2470: The Closer Who Became an Archaeo-Lidge-ist

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

Ben Lindbergh, Meg Rowley

Sports, Baseball

4.72.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 April 2026

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Ben Lindbergh and Meg Rowley banter about whether JR Ritchie should want to keep the ball that was hit for a homer on his first major league pitch, José Soriano’s season-starting hot streak, and the Yankees’ new alternate uniforms, plus follow-ups on accidental challenges, player pecks on the cheek, jersey numbers, and Nolan McLean’s apology, and a mini-Blast about the Rockies’ historically hot start (compared to last year). Then (50:36) they take a break from interviewing octagenarian former players to interview a youthful, quadragenarian former player: former All-Star Brad Lidge. An infamous manager once proclaimed, “The closer is the closer because he’s the closer.” But what if the closer becomes an archaeologist? Ben and Meg talk to Lidge at length about his post-playing pivot to archaeology: what drew him to the field, how he’s pursued a second profession (and how it differs from his first one), ancient Etruscans, misconceptions about archaeology, what he could learn from excavating a ballpark, discovering dice (note: not a gambling ad), discussing his career reinvention at cocktail parties, the pleasures and procedures of communing with the past, archaeology’s moneyball, and much more, followed by his thoughts on fellow fastball-slider artist Mason Miller.

Audio intro: PJ Harding, “Effectively Wild Theme
Audio outro: Philip Bergman, “Effectively Wild Theme

Link to The Only Rule closer line
Link to line’s EW wiki entry
Link to Lidge’s SABR bio
Link to postseason saves leaders
Link to best post-’88 RP seasons
Link to Pujols homer
Link to 2008 WS victory
Link to Episode 2323
Link to Wood’s HR
Link to Ritchie game story
Link to Yankees jerseys report 1
Link to Yankees jerseys report 2
Link to Yankees jerseys report 3
Link to jersey number history
Link to Gilbert “catch”
Link to Gilbert “catch” rules
Link to Vargas “accidental” challenge
Link to Gonzales “accidental” challenge
Link to Martin-Davis smooch
Link to Soriano’s six-start stretches
Link to Soriano’s 2025 stretch
Link to Soriano’s 2026 stretch
Link to exit velo responsibility
Link to Soriano article 1
Link to Betteridge’s law 1
Link to Soriano article 2
Link to follow-up McLean report
Link to fastest team improvements data
Link to 2018 archaeoLidgey article
Link to 2026 archaeoLidgey article
Link to Lidge Explorers Club
Link to Poggio Civitate wiki
Link to Under the Tuscan Sun wiki
Link to Etruscan civilization wiki
Link to Roman Empire meme
Link to Lidge’s publications
Link to Lidge’s dice paper
Link to North American dice article 1
Link to North American dice article 2
Link to Ben on Detectorists

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0:00.0

Oh, baseball, what have you done?

0:14.1

Something's never been seen, something factually fun.

0:30.8

Oh, there's so much of you, but there's so much of you but there's so little time so thank god for effectively wild hello and welcome to episode 2470 of effectively wild a vans baseball podcast brought to you by our Patreon supporters. I'm Meg Raleigh of Fangraphs and I am joined by Ben Lindberg of the Ringer, Ben. How are you? I'm doing well because we've got a great guest today. Great guest. I guess we have been very excited to talk to. None other than Brad Lidge, the great Brad Lidge, is on the program.

0:56.8

We'll talk a little bit of baseball with Brad.

0:59.0

We'll talk about Mason Miller and how he is succeeding with a somewhat Ligian approach to pitching.

1:06.0

But mostly, we're going to talk to Brad Lidge about being an archaeologist.

1:10.4

Yep.

1:10.7

Because that's what Brad Lidge is nowidge about being an archaeologist. Yep. Because that's what Brad Lidge is now.

1:13.1

He is an archaeologist for real.

1:16.2

And you know me, usually I like to wait until a player is an octogenarian, a non-aginarian, before we call them up.

1:23.0

Brad Lidge is still a quadrigenarian.

1:25.7

That's what we almost are.

1:27.2

He's not seasoned enough to be an

1:28.9

effectively wild guest, but I can't wait another 40 years to do my own excavation of living

1:34.7

baseball history, because as the only rule readers out there, remember, the closer's the closer

1:39.6

because he's the closer. But what if the closer is an archaeologist? I need to know what that

1:44.0

means.

1:44.4

So at a time of closer upheaval in Major League Baseball, we are calling in and calling up a closer.

1:51.3

And I've wanted to talk to him about this for a while because he's been in the process of becoming an archaeologist for some time now.

2:00.4

And so every now and then there will be an article and there will be a check-in and someone

2:05.4

will do an interview with him or write a piece about Bradledge becoming an archaeologist.

2:09.1

And then I see a new wave of people discover that Bradledge is in his archaeology era.

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